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Hivernant
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Any documentation on the use of the caped hunting frock out west 1800-1840? I'm thinking of making one out of buckskin like the one on the back of Book of Buckskinning vol 1. Anyone try this yet? Any pointers?

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Hey Spitfire1,

There are drawings by Charles McLaughlin who was on the Mier expedition which resulted in the Black Bean Incident.

His drawings clearly (IMO) show caped (and two caped) hunting frocks in Texas as of December 1842.

How this helps.

Craig
 
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Booshway
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also of Col Dodge in 1843-46-ish

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If a trapper came through St Louis on his way
to the mountains, his dress would have a French
influence. If a mountaineer came the snow free
route through Taos or used Taos as a home in winter, his dress might be decidedly Spanish
in influence. Short waist coat, vest, pantellones, flat wide brim hat, mocassins.
When I rendezvous'd in Texas, New Mexico,
Arizona, California, I saw a lot of Spanish
style dress. Leather frock coats are popular
as well as full length leather dusters.
 
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My persona is...one of the nine young men from Kentucky that went west with Lewis and Clark as a hunter, after returning home from the expidition I decided to go back out west to make my fortune on long hunting and trapping excursions out west, for me the year is eternally 1808. My gear is a mix of east and west, taking the best of what I know and have from my eastern longhunter roots and picking up a few things here and there in the new untamed west. Therefore i've decided to go with the caped hunting frock, in buckskin, possibly center seam buckskin leggings over leather knee breeches and side seam mocs (from trading) and some shoe pack mocs. What say you?


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Booshway
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My Frock is made of Elk skin. I think deerskin is good for shirts, pants and leggins, but I like the heavier elk for a coat or frock.
 
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Thats a nice looking frock you got there! Any pointers other than elk?


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Booshway
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Good looking shirt, but you got your rifle on backwards...
 
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P.S., I have seen a photo of a caped hunting shirt owned by Buffalo Bill early in his career--which is even later than the period you want, in short, the caped hunting shirt lasted a long time. It was still prominent in the early 1800s--even fashionable, and lasted until after the Civil War on the frontier.
 
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I realize that the caped hunting frock (or shirt) was correct, but what about the making it from leather? You usually see them from some type of cloth. Can you give me a source to look this up. I do occasionally work with leather and would love to try my hand at this.
Toni
 
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There are plenty of references to leather hunting shirts, but, alas, few descriptions or surviving examples. I would assume that an early leather shirt would look much like the cloth ones. Some backwoodsmen in a pinch made them crudley laced with leather wangs [thongs], but the better ones were sewn with heavy linen I suspect. Not being a tailor I can only imagine that using leather would lead to some slight modification of the details of a pattern--such as no 'bunching' or pleating around the shoulder seams, etc...
 
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Thank you. I also found in "The Frontiersman" a leather coat (rather fancy - embroidered) that is believed to have belonged to Washington's dentist. I wasn't not sure if that it is good documentation.
You are right that making it from leather does require additional planning to the drafting of the pattern. It will give me something to do in my spare Big Grin time.
Toni
 
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Hivernant
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Hold on Matt'sgirl, let me send you my measurments first, sure is nice of you to make one for me!


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MATTS GIRL, WHERE IS THE LINE FORMING /
I WANT ON THAT LIST.
 
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Okay, Matt said anyone that gets one before him has to start feeding me. You don't know how much a fat girl can eat.
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Graybeard
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Colonel Dodge - circa 1834-35


Delaware coat - circa 1835


I've got several more pics of 1830-50's coats like the second one if you'd like to see them....


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Yes please on the pics excaliber454@hotmail.com or if you want, just post them on here. These pics are great!


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Black Beaver - Delaware trapper circa 1850...


Don't remember the citation on this one - circa 1840...


Delaware/Shawnee circa 1850-60 - not this one is cut like an earlier frock coat with the pieced Vee back panel - patterns for this cut are avaialable


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Delaware circa 1840 in the NMAI Collection




Cherokee circa 1830-40 NMAI Collection





Delware trapper and scout for Fremont, James Secondine aka Sagundai - circa 1843-44


Valentine Museum - Richmond, VA date


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