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Greenhorn |
Since long hunters were often referred to as the long knives and in light of the recent discussions about the boone knife and bowie knives. I thought I would show what I am using as a knife. It is NOT PERIOD CORRECT. What it is, is a quality long knife that I enjoy owning and using and one that I feel any original long hunter would kill to own. Literally!
This is a factory photo, as I am at work and don't have a photo of my knife here but mine is the exact same one. WHATS IN YOUR KNIFE SHEATH?  |
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Greenhorn |
I carry an original 18th c. Geo. Woesterholm folder in my bag but I carry this in an over the shoulder sheath.
 I made it near 20 years ago from a early 19thC buggy spring, hafted in oak.10 3/4 " Blade 15-3/8" O.A.I use it as aknife, hatchet, axe, shovel and everything else that would void my own warrenty. I love this sticker. The sheath is bark tanned elk with a forged buckle. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Dennis Miles, |
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Greenhorn |
The above photo is of a Bark River Rogue Bowie.
Here are the specs on the knife Overall Length: 12.125 inches Blade Length: 7.125 inches Steel: A-2 Tool Steel Hardness: 58 RC Steel Thickness: .215 inches Weight: 11.75 ounces |
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Greenhorn |
I have one of the first of the Bark River Natchez style bowies. The jigged bne handle is a bit heavy, but all in all, it is a pretty nice little peice as factory knives go. MUCH nicer than the Camillus OVB Jerry Fisk models.
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Greenhorn |
jmforge,
I agree with your opinion on the Bark River knives. They are a great semi-custom knife. Actually a production knife but approaching custom knife quality. They make a great Hudson Bay camp knife and a great Mountain Man Green River knife. They don't make a longhunter knife but this bowie style is pretty practical in that sense. They also make a patch knife and a few other small knives that can also be used as a patch knife. Their Finger knife is a pretty little knife that could be used as a small game/patch knife. Lots of handle options for all of them. PJC |
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Greenhorn |
Looks like we started off with two extremes. A pretty little production knife and a hand made custom longknife that looks like it made and saw use during the longhunter period, with lots of memories and character, still sharp as a razor and doing the hard work it was designed for.
PJC |
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Booshway |
Actually, "longknives" was a term given to the Revolutionary Rifleman because of the....uh...long knives they carried and fought with. These were, reportedly, an evolution from the Scottish short sword. And many, in fact, were cut down swords for greater mobility in close hand to hand combat. Examples of rifleman knives can be found on page 97, and elsewhere, in the book the Collectors Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American Revolution. One pictured there is uncannily amost identical to mine which was made by a friend. Mine is in attached photo.
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Greenhorn |
That is an interesting piece. Yet another example of a "clip point" blade made quite a bit earlier than the 1830's. There are some modern western martial artists that theorize that the big knife fighting styles of places like pre Civil War New Orleans were developed from a combination of classical Continental fencing techniques and other forms like Scottish saber fencing and Creole cutlass fencing. |
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Booshway |
There were many European short sword/long knife styles to choose from or modify/alter during the second half of the 18th century, quite a few variations are shown in Neumanns books. I think one would have to go way out in left field to get a really non-PC type made up.
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Booshway |
The Rev. Rifleman was first a frontiersman/woodsman. Personally, I doubt he had much of a fighting "style". My guess is that he just fought the best he could with ferocious determination. BTW, stories abound that he had to cut down the swords because they were too long to wield inside lodges and hit the ceilings or poles. |
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Booshway |
actually the term longknife is much older than the Rev War - 1750 being one date the term was used: "upon understanding I came from Virginia, he called me a Long Knife." Christopher Gist Friday, Dec. 7, 1750 http://donchesnut.com/genealogy/pages/gistjournal.pdf I do agree that very probably one original inspiration for the Colonial Long Knife was the Scots and/or Irish dirk (most of which had long blades 10-12" was not uncommon) since a larger portion of the Southerns Highlands Euro population was of Scots and Scots Irish descent...... aka Chuck Burrows |
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Booshway |
Here's one from about a 1,000 years earlier than 1830 - it's a seax in the British Museum...  aka Chuck Burrows |
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Booshway |
Here's my longknife, a copy of a blade dug up at Fort Ticonderoga....knife by Mike Mann, sheath by Chuck Burrows.
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Greenhorn |
Do you think that the slightly upswept point on this particular blade was a design feature or the result of use/sharpening? I have seen some modern interpretations with that blade shape, but most of them seem to have the straight edge. The "belly" on that blade would lead me to belive that is was made with some curve. |
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Booshway |
here is my new knife my buddy jasontn recently made for me,A/L about 13" i made a couple of sheaths for it,not sure wich one i like best,what do you fellas think?
 Member #277 Mo. State Rep. for the Traditional Muzzleloading Association "The reason a dog has so many friends,He wags his tail instead of his tounge" |
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Booshway |
Nice knife, I would go with the top sheath, both are nice looking.
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Booshway |
Either will cover the handle,which is a nice addition to the overall look, IMMHO top looks "older" than the bottom.
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Booshway |
kinda of what i was thinkin' also,bottom one looks a little to store bought
Member #277 Mo. State Rep. for the Traditional Muzzleloading Association "The reason a dog has so many friends,He wags his tail instead of his tounge" |
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Greenhorn |
jmforge
I would be willing to bet the curve came about as the smith drew out the edge. |
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Greenhorn |
PC be damned. Here is a LONG knife. 12 1/2 inch blade to be precise
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