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Ok so I bought the Dutch Schoultz Accuracy system, and his explanations of what's going on and why he recommends certain procedures makes sense. It appears that with some rifles that I have I have been lucky with the ball, patch, and lube combination, while with others I need to take them back to the range as I wasn't doing all that I could to get the best accuracy from them.

However, as luck would have it, although I am ready to go to the range, I can't seem to get the time for the past two weeks or so, to get over there. Mad Dang it! This weekend is no different, so my results must wait.

"I hate waiting." Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride 1987

LD


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Booshway
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Never had an interest in just buying somebody elses canned approach to something...too much like just buying a box of modern shotgun shells off the shelf and going hunting with a modern shotgun...no thought or analysis in building the load, etc...its already done for me.
The main attraction of this hobby to me has been my own exploration, my own figuring / sorting stuff out / learning...then followed by good field results during hunting seasons.
But that just me...understandably other folks have different interests, etc


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Dutch Schultz was one of the most brutal gangsters to emerge in New York City during the Prohibition era of the 1920's - 1930's. He was so bad that he finally was assinated by members of his own crime family.

That is the only Dutch Schultz that I've ever heard of - until now when I looked up the name coupled with "accuracy system". hmm.

I guess that I'm really lucky because I can shoot in my back yard whenever I want to.


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Originally posted by roundball:
Never had an interest in just buying somebody elses canned approach to something...too much like just buying a box of modern shotgun shells off the shelf and going hunting with a modern shotgun...no thought or analysis in building the load, etc...its already done for me.
The main attraction of this hobby to me has been my own exploration, my own figuring / sorting stuff out / learning...then followed by good field results during hunting seasons.
But that just me...understandably other folks have different interests, etc


Dutch's system is not a "canned approach". It is a well reasoned and tested method of developing the most accurate loads for your needs. Learning from others experiences is the norm. Did you go to school, why are you here? It is the same, passing on knowledge. By not getting his system you are denying yourself a learning opportunity.
 
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The main attraction of this hobby to me has been my own exploration, my own figuring / sorting stuff out / learning...then followed by good field results



I just finished going through the process of Dutch's load development system with my Lyman Great Plains rifle. I got fantastic improvement in the groups the rifle shoots. I am now in the process of working the system on my Pedersoli pistol and plan to do the same with all my rifles.

You still have to experiment and discover what works in your rifle, "The system" isn't a prescribed load, it is a systematic approach to controlling the variables involved with working out the best load for a muzzle loading rifle.

I have been developing loads for center-fire and muzzle loading rifles for decades and I already knew most of the information contained in "The System". However, there were two items concerning loading a muzzle loader in Dutch's approach that I did not know and those two things made a big difference in how my rifle groups. It was well worth the price for me to get the final two pieces of the puzzle.

If you are a shooter who is satisfied with a rifle that will keep three shots inside a paper plate at hunting distances and don't enjoy experimenting with your rifle at the bench rest, the Dutch Schultz system probably isn't for you.

If you are the type of shooter who enjoys working up the best load for your rifle and getting the very best accuracy the rifle is capable of, you need the information Dutch has to offer.
 
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Booshway
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Originally posted by Prairie dog:
If you are a shooter who is satisfied with a rifle that will keep three shots inside a paper plate at hunting distances and don't enjoy experimenting with your rifle at the bench rest, the Dutch Schultz system probably isn't for you.
I thought I was clear with my comment:
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The main attraction of this hobby to me has been my own exploration, my own figuring / sorting stuff out / learning...then followed by good field results during hunting seasons.
But that just me...understandably other folks have different interests, etc.
LOL…hitting a paper plate ????

Two Examples of my paper plates:
A velocity / POI target with my .58cal deer hunting load:



A sight adjustment target with my .50cal deer load:



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I can understand the position of those who use the Dutch Schoultz system in that ultimate accuracy is a laudable goal. If one is having a tough time getting the desired performance from a rifle and will not settle for a simple "okay" group, it is probably worth the money and then some.

Speaking only for myself, rather than trying for the best a rifle can do, I'm more interested in how well it shoots "under pressure", so to speak. Most of my shots are from a dirty bore. I, too, like to find out for myself what my gun likes without necessarily using someone's "system". I can tell you that with my old eyes an average rifle and a tack driver shoot about the same.


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Big Grin You know that rifle will shoot better than that. Wink
 
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