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Booshway |
Hope this isn't in violation of the rules, but does anyone have any experience with the under hammer firearms ? Just curious. Rupe/PA | ||
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Booshway |
Get ahold of Pease on this site,He owns and shoots one!!! | |||
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Booshway |
i hav built a few | |||
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Factor |
I am currently assembling the parts to make one in .58. The deer I whacked on January 12th put my plans on hold until I get a vehicle replaced. I am making it for my left-handed brother in New Mexico to hunt elk... he has right handed sons, so an underhammer made sense so all of them can shoot it or hunt with it. LD | |||
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Factor |
Way back in the mid 1960s I ordered a .45 H&A "Heritage" model and I still have it. It has taken deer, bobcats and squirrels. May be the most accurate ML I ever fired. It's now retired due to a spring/trigger/hammer problem. It will stay with me for sentimental reasons and because of all the adventures we had together. A funny thing happened on the way to the forum, or rather at the range a couple years ago. It was summer and I had on a short sleeve shirt. To prevent forearm tattoos I draped a towel over my arm - in the woods we wear long sleeve shirts. I fired a round and while pulling the rifle in to reload, I smelled smoke. Yep, the towel was on fire. Just one little eccentricity of the style. I also like the way they look. *Young guys should hang out with old guys; old guys know stuff.* | |||
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Hivernant |
Great percussion arrangement except as noted by Hanshi. I've seen a few under hammer flintlock bench rifles. Most under hammers are pistols mostly I suspect because of the "tattoo". | |||
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Pilgrim |
Rupe, I have at least a half dozen UH's that started out life as H&A's. They now range from a 12 ga trap gun to a chunk gun to a table gun and a few offhand rifles with interchangeable barrels. I just picked up an unfired target model with a 1 1/8" barrel. They are great, simple and ambidextrous. I also have a couple of pistols.Obviously I like them. Mark | |||
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Booshway |
Those parts are still available. When I can bring the supplier to mind I'll let you know. Someone else might chime in. Deer Creek is a possiblity. | |||
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Pilgrim |
Deer Creek in Waldron, Indiana is the supplier I use for H&A parts. No web site but their phone number is 765-525-6181. Always been first class to deal with. Mark | |||
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Factor |
It would be very nice to get the old girl working again. I did get a used spring but the trigger return leaf must have taken set as it was dead with no spring. The rest of the spring worked fine. It will take a good/new spring before I can even get an idea if an problem exists with the trigger/hammer notches. *Young guys should hang out with old guys; old guys know stuff.* | |||
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Pilgrim |
Hanshi, Unless the half or full cock nothches are broken you should not have a problem. The trigger return spring is just a small horseshoe shaped affair that rides over the trigger pivot. Deer Creek has all of the pieces. I usually keep one of each part on hand, trigger gaurd, trigger, hammer and trigger spring. Total investment about $25.00, problems in the field or at the range -0-. Mark | |||
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Factor |
Papa, on these old H&As the only spring is the trigger guard spring which powers the hammer. The trigger return is a small tab of that big, flat spring/trigger guard that contacts the back of the trigger. It's a simple, reliable and mostly foolproof system. The whole system fails when the return tab takes "set" when the trigger is pulled rather than springing back. Apparently there is no "cheap" fix. A shame because there is no damage to the hammer or trigger. I'm actually still tinkering with it. *Young guys should hang out with old guys; old guys know stuff.* | |||
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Pilgrim |
Hanshi, I am aware of the trigger gaurd spring with the tab that you are talking about and think it was an early version. All of mine have the horseshoe spring inside the action and it is a much better set up. I"think" you can cut off the tab and add the horseshoe to yours and make it work. If you call Deer Creek and speak with Sherry she will be able to tell you, and supply the spring. They are very inexpensive. Mark | |||
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Factor |
Thanks, Papa; I think I'll do that. It is a shame to retire the old girl when the bore is still pristine and the inherent accuracy is still there. *Young guys should hang out with old guys; old guys know stuff.* | |||
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Hivernant |
Ok, Fire & Iron H&A Guns also does under hammers. Pecatonica River long rifle supply has kits. (just finished mine) Just my 2c. Keep inside the tree line, Don't let 'em know where yer bedded. Some have less than you do and my be inclined to try and take what little ya have. | |||
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Booshway |
Well, I for one, think the under hammers not only look strange, but they are ugly too. Know what you believe in. Fight for your beliefs. Never compromise away your rights. | |||
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Pilgrim |
They may be ugly, no argument, but they are like your best girl. Treat her right and you are going to be a happy camper. Mark | |||
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Greenhorn |
I just restored a .45 H&A Heritage model that I was given used 30 years ago. It was my first muzzleloader, and I have no intention to ever part with it. I learned a lot with that underhammer. They are like a teenager's first car; amazingly simple in design and to work on, very durable to handle beginners' mistakes, extremely reliable, and relatively inexpensive. There is no movement or flash near the line of sight, so they are great trainers for new shooters. Mine is more accurate than I am, and was one of my troop's favorite muzzleloaders to shoot. While I talk like it's a beginner's gun, it is still such a delight to shoot that it is usually the first gun I reach for when heading out to the woods. The only potential down side is to make sure that you wear long sleeves when shooting one unless it has an effective flash cup. They can be made ambidextrous. They are easy to work on. They can be made to swap out barrels. What’s not to love about them? | |||
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Factor |
You're right, Paul. My first ML was an H&A Heritage .45 model. This was back in the mid 1960s (about 50 years ago). I learned about BP shooting with that good gun. It took bobcats, deer, squirrel, tin cans, paper targets and more. I still have it but the trigger return tab on the tg guard/hammer spring is dead. I just need to find a way to fix that and the world will be good. *Young guys should hang out with old guys; old guys know stuff.* | |||
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Greenhorn |
If Deer Creek does not have a usable spring, you may be able to get one at http://www.fire-iron.biz/ . Mark was able to help me with parts to get mine back in working order. Paul | |||
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