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Booshway
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At the Monroe show I bought a copy of FUR TRADE and EMPIRE GEORGE SIMPSON'S JOURNAL 1824-25.
Near the end of it , it has a copy of a ledger.
Here are some interesting items, to be found at Ft.George (Astoria) and Spokane house.
Guns Com.N.W.
Guns fine half stocked
Pistols Com.American
Pistols English brown barrels
Rifles American
Rifles English twist barrels

Knives Scalping, folding, clasp
Dags Plain 7 inch
Dags Eyed 8&12 inches

Blankets from 1-4 point in "Plain", Green,"H.Bay" and Rose.

Beads in "Sky Blue ENAMd and 'transparent Canton".

lots more but all in all an interesting read.
Andy


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What are ,"rifles english twist barrels"? Are they damascus or just an extra word to mean rifled?


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doublelong spring,
I'm guessing it to mean some sort of damascus twist pattern on the barrel.
However it could also refer to the barrel twist rate as well.
All in all it is clear as mud.
I'm working on a letter to Ft. William (H.B.C.'s HQ.) to ask that question, plus a few more. When I get a reply I would gladly share if you are interested.
Andy


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Andy,
You might have good luck contacting Fort William, but the Hudson's Bay Company Archives are in a big building in downtown Winnipeg, Manitoba. Their files are available for anyone to study, and they can often email you stuff, or for maybe a small fee make copies and mail them. They're very generous, though. Just google them.

Dick


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Dick,
Thanks for the tip. It seems the more I learn the more questions I have.
That being said, I am amazed at how friendly and helpful people and groups are, in this hobby.
Andy


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At the time the English may have provided barrels of a standard twist which differed from that of other importers, just a wild arrse guess.
 
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Sure would Andy.


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English Twist barrels are a type of damascus barrel - the description has nothing to do with the rifling twist


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Thanks, GreyWolf.
doublelong spring,
I'm gonna take Dick's idea and contact H.B.C's archive people and see what I/they can turn up.
When I get a reply I'll get back to you.
Andy


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My guess is that if that item was listed the way we probably would, it would say, "Rifles, English, twist barrels". I agree that it's a reference to "damascus" barrels.

Dick


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